Looking for brutal feedback: are these the real pain points in training/nutrition apps?

Hey T Nation,

I pulled together a comparison image (attached) after talking with lifters who keep bouncing between apps. Before I dig deeper, I want to sanity-check the pain points with you all:

  • Logging speed: voice or quick text > tap-tap-tap. Do you agree?

  • Training + nutrition in one place: or do you prefer separate apps?

  • Progress tracking: do you actually use body comp + progress photos, or just the scale/barbell numbers?

  • “Smart” help: would you use AI pre-workout briefs (pulls your last session, reminds form cues), or do you stick to your own notes?

  • Data ownership: is CSV export a dealbreaker?

What I’m building (MuscleBvll) is bodybuilder-specific and already live: voice or text logging for training and photos for food, progress photos/body comp, AI briefs/evals, rest timers (alerts/notifications coming next), no ads, no social feed—just tools to get stronger. I’m also working on a Professional tier for enhanced lifters: compounds/protocol cycles and bloodwork correlation.

If any of this resonates, I’d love two things:

  1. Gut checks on what’s missing or annoying in your current setup (e.g., alerts on timers, PR flags, CSV export timing).

  2. A few early users from T Nation to beat it up. Quiet welcome code TNATION25 for the first month so you can try it cheap and tell me what’s broken/needed.

Questions I’m especially curious about:

  • Must-have features I’m overlooking?

  • Do you actually want AI feedback, or just fast logging and clear trends?

  • Is voice your go-to in the gym, or do you stick to text?

App’s fully functional now; I’ll iterate fast based on your feedback. Thanks for keeping it honest.

Multiple boxes you put X’s in fpr multiple products should have been checks.

If you’re going go have AI plug your product, at least have it done factually.

Oh, and fuck you

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I use a notebook and pen… people that I see using these apps spend waaaaay too much time between sets scrolling through them

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Way faster than typing shit with your thumbs, or talking to your phone in a noisy gym.

I’m not interested in an app that is better than other apps. Make one that beats a notebook and pen, then I’ll bite.

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Hey if that’s all you need that makes sense, do you log it into an excel sheet for insights after or stay on paper?

You’re right some details got lost in the visualization there I should’ve double checked, replaced with the correct table. And fuck me why? If just for that then np handsome

Do you lift?

Fair, I now use the app but I just winged pretty much everything because I’d rather die than do administrative work

I tried logging with conversational voice in the gym and it was easier to rattle off ‘‘set 1 with 20kg, set 2 etc’’ and the RPE, but most of the time I just type what I did, with food I tend to take a pic of the brand/wrapper or the plate.

When I get home I have a nice overview and am prepped for the next one

I dabble yes, but I could be more disciplined

Im going to be honest…. Coming from a guy who has been on here for years

This being your first post is going to rub a large part of the community wrong.

Just a friendly heads up.

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Appreciate it sir

I think I’ve lurked here since 2017 so I hope that counts towards some goodwill, this place taught me how to pin after all. But yes if I want to find people who have the problem im solving then I need to be active, I’ll be sure to also participate in other threads, not just here to plug.

Yeah being more active and provide more info about yourself will go a long way.

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I have been using this app “FitNotes” for a long time and have not found much reason to switch to anything else. Note that its Android-only ; I actually use a cheap $40 walmart Android phone in the gym just for this app.

csv export is a pretty crucial feature but perhaps even more important is the general online cloud backup to your Google / Apple account so that you can keep the app in sync between multiple devices. The csv is mostly used as a manual backup of training logs or if I feel like doing some stats analyis on my lack of progress in the gym

i never used voice logging and never wanted to, in fact i try to talk as little as possible when I am in the gym,

and I use a separate app(s) for food tracking / bodyweight tracking (“MyNetDiary” https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.fourtechnologies.mynetdiary.ad&hl=en ), and dont have my progress pics included in any apps and never really wanted them to be. I am not a fan of heavy “ecosystem lock-in” for digital platforms, it pretty much always ends badly I think.

I think my biggest suggestion for an app developer (and me as an Android user), is to get you app to integrate with the Google Health Connect service. This is the service that Google now uses for various health & fitness apps to be able to share metrics between each other easily. So for example my “steps” get tracked by Google Fit and then via Google Health Connect other apps like MyFitnessPal and your food tracking app can ingest that data and use it, and then are able to write back data such as your calorie intakes for other apps to use.

Not sure what the Apple equivalent of this is but I think this is a really big deal for fitness apps and I frankly avoid apps that dont include this functionality. Because when I log my bodyweight, blood pressure, food intake, etc., I am gonna do it in whatever app I deem best and then I want all the other apps to automatically update themselves with the data.

I guess it ultimately goes back to the concept of “data ownership” which really is a big deal. In 2025 there is just not much excuse for serious apps to not enable users to at a minimum take their data with them, and preferably to have some import method from outside sources, and even better if it can all be done automatically. Not taking this into account in app-design ends up just feeling exploitative.

I use various AI platforms on a daily basis and I am still pretty skeptical of their ability to replace real humans with real lived experience for high-skill purposes outside of tech. So for myself any sort of AI would be an anti-feature or would be ignored, though I am sure plenty of “normies” might love it.

I have been using the app TrueCoach to log session with my coach and one of the things I initially did not like but now greatly appreciate is the ability to have videos included from the coach showing how to perform each of the lifts. This has been super helpful so that I can double check the suggested form and technique for lifts I am unfamiliar with ; not sure what the equivalent for this would be in a non-coaching based app. I also appreciate that this app lets you attach (upload) videos of your lifts directly to each lift in each training session. Of course, this also implies that there is some back-end hosting service for the videos, which might be out of scope for whatever infrastructure you planned to accompany the app.

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Yeah FitNotes looks great, simple pen and paper approach in app form.

The csv is mostly used as a manual backup of training logs or if I feel like doing some stats analyis on my lack of progress in the gym

Yeah plus if you ever want to switch to a different app you can take your data, it’s not held hostage. What kind of info do you look for in an analysis like that to find the source for lack of progress? And do you measure yourself and find lacking results or are you eyeballing it?

I am not a fan of heavy “ecosystem lock-in” for digital platforms, it pretty much always ends badly I think.

Mm yeah same, in addition to the CSV download for nutrition, training, and body comp I’ll include a general download option because there are analysis reports that are interpretations of all the data you’ll also download as csv, both are handy to keep.

Because when I log my bodyweight, blood pressure, food intake, etc., I am gonna do it in whatever app I deem best and then I want all the other apps to automatically update themselves with the data.

Gotcha you like dedicated different apps, not interested in a unified console to replace it but wouldnt mind a cohesive end destination for all your data. That’s a challenge especially with all these small different apps that different people prefer, but android and apple’s fitness integrations are 100% on the roadmap.

So for myself any sort of AI would be an anti-feature or would be ignored, though I am sure plenty of “normies” might love it

You’re missing out, I love using it .. I receive expert advice and concrete direction and can apply it to my training schedule with the push of a button, like:
’’Training Focus

  • Add more reverse pec deck volume on shoulder/arm days for rear delt separation

  • Consider adding shrugs or upright rows to target lower trap development

  • Continue current back volume - lat pulldowns and rows are delivering excellent results’’

or:
’’Diet Notes

  • Pre-workout nutrition looks consistent with multiple meals logged

  • Consider timing more carbs post-workout rather than pre for better recovery

  • Track weekend adherence more closely - gaps in logging may impact progress’’

Plus it’s funny when you cancel too many workouts or log too many shitty foods and the advisor tears you a new one in the report. MuscleBvll is a new kind of app though so there’s no chat, it’ll take getting used to, but it’s undoubtedly more efficient than any manual or duck-taped together group of apps system. It’s powerful because AI is built into the right places in both the front and backend so that the app is always geared towards providing value for you at this point in time. Before I start an exercise I see:

Start at **30kg and dial in your hip hinge mechanics**—keep your chest up, knees slightly bent, and feel the hamstring stretch before driving through your heels. Watch for that right glute sensitivity from last session; if it flares, reduce range of motion slightly and focus on controlled tempo rather than chasing weight.

And I like those little details and insights that I forget about. It’s like having a coach watching everything simultaneously and giving back interpretation of data within seconds. It simply leaves any manual work or evaluation by a personal trainer, nutrition coach, online bodybuilding coach, bloodpanel analyst in the dust (respectfully). Happens in one app now for the fraction of the cost in a fraction of the time

Very cool of you to share your years of experience with keeping track of things so thank you, I’ll take the video analysis note with me as well since form checks are always in demand :grin:

now that troponin iq analyzes pics, the only pain point is it forgets things we talked about after thirty days.

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Haven’t tried it and yeah that context is important especially with long term goals, but an easy one for them to solve. What kind of questions do you ask if you dont mind?

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I don’t ask it any questions. I feed it logs, labs and so on and see what it says.

I do not understand the correct use of prompts, yet.

It has been explained to me I can’t just ask it questions. I need to ask questions in a certain way.

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Legit graduate level marketing. Nicely done

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Exactly

Just paper. Have years of notebooks.

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