What’s the proper way to perform it? I have read conflicting views about the grip.
Use whatever grip feels right to you?
Most use the “narrow” grip parts of an EZ bar from what I can tell.
Can also be done on a bench or lying on the seat-pad of a low pulley station (I prefer the latter).
What 'bout regular or false? 2nd actives more the latter.
What’s the advantage of this starting from a dead stop? i.e. why do these instead of skullcrushers
PS: I’m glad someone finally asked about one of the many tricep exercises people keep talking about on this board, as I don’t know what at least half of the ones you guys keep mentioning are; the in-built search and Google are no help at all.
I honestly thought you were more advanced that that, dude…why not TRY the grip and see how and where you feel it and see if you can milk it for progress? And if you have wrist/grip/stability issues then report back here…
its one thing to ask for general movement suggestions (Dante’s pec deck press, ) for a body part or muscle group…its another to request fine details after the general scheme has been outlined.
Its nearly as stupid as the morons posting their training vids here and asking for form critiques. if you dont have a feel for the execution, what the fuck are you even training? Worse yet, it draws in the youtrolls fresh from their latest edition of the “muscle nerd” (built like a nerd and smart as a musclehead…oh fuck)
[quote]MEYMZ wrote:
What 'bout regular or false? 2nd actives more the latter.[/quote]
I have added this movement in the past couple months and I can directly relate a strength (and pump) gain from this exercise. I noticeably ‘connect’ with this triceps movement more than any other. I think it has to do with the arms being up and behind my head versus out in front (eg. triceps cable pushdown).
Definitely a keeper!
As to advantage over skull crushers: As I just said, for me personally, I think it has to do with the higher upwards position of my triceps relative to my head and shoulders.
As to ‘deadstop’, I stop the motion of the bar on the floor but do not take tension off my arms. It just stops momentum and ‘bounce’. Note: I don’t recommend bouncing the weight off your head during traditional skull crushers (hence, the name)…
I use a straight bar and do them off the bench. Doing them off the bench allows a greater range of motion as the bar now is behind you’re head as the bench allows the plates to go below the floor so to speak. My grip is hands about 10 inches apart.
[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
I use a straight bar and do them off the bench. Doing them off the bench allows a greater range of motion as the bar now is behind you’re head as the bench allows the plates to go below the floor so to speak. My grip is hands about 10 inches apart. [/quote]
Same here, although I have the bench set on a slight decline and I use a closer grip (unless I get wrist pain).
[quote]w00tage wrote:
What’s the advantage of this starting from a dead stop? i.e. why do these instead of skullcrushers
PS: I’m glad someone finally asked about one of the many tricep exercises people keep talking about on this board, as I don’t know what at least half of the ones you guys keep mentioning are; the in-built search and Google are no help at all.[/quote]
I’ve yet to see someone who has been doing traditional skullcrushers to the forehead or nose, gotten big and not ended up with tendonitis… DSE’s (and PJR’s moreso) don’t bother my elbows at all, and involve the usually underdeveloped long head more than skullcrushers with upper arms perpendicular to the floor.
As for the dead stop… Why do deadlifts or rack pulls work so well? Why do pin/board presses work well for tri strength and size? Etc… CT has talked about having either a fast turn-around (which imo is kind of a bitch on regular skulls…), or going from a dead stop (which allows you to be about as explosive as possible on the positive, while taking the stretch reflex out) being part of the perfect rep…
Might want to head over to CT’s forum for the sciency stuff.
Question whenever i do a Lying Tricep Extention i always feel that my right tricep is doing brunt of the work. Like I can feel the contraction etc in that muscle however in my left tricep i hardly feel it
[quote]optheta wrote:
Question whenever i do a Lying Tricep Extention i always feel that my right tricep is doing brunt of the work. Like I can feel the contraction etc in that muscle however in my left tricep i hardly feel it[/quote]
wow that sucks.
[quote]optheta wrote:
Question whenever i do a Lying Tricep Extention i always feel that my right tricep is doing brunt of the work. Like I can feel the contraction etc in that muscle however in my left tricep i hardly feel it[/quote]
Umm it’s time for unilateral work.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]optheta wrote:
Question whenever i do a Lying Tricep Extention i always feel that my right tricep is doing brunt of the work. Like I can feel the contraction etc in that muscle however in my left tricep i hardly feel it[/quote]
Umm it’s time for unilateral work. [/quote]
Ideas? Other then 1-Armed Overhead DB extensions i dont know what else to do
OT, thats a beautiful comparison: the fast turn-around at stretch to moving the weight from a dead-stop. I remember training the seated BB shoulder press PITT-style starting from a dead stop just under the chin (give or take) for 10+ reps and was delighted with the gains.
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
As for the dead stop… Why do deadlifts or rack pulls work so well? Why do pin/board presses work well for tri strength and size? Etc… CT has talked about having either a fast turn-around (which imo is kind of a bitch on regular skulls…), or going from a dead stop (which allows you to be about as explosive as possible on the positive, while taking the stretch reflex out) being part of the perfect rep…
Might want to head over to CT’s forum for the sciency stuff.
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[quote]tribunaldude wrote:
OT, thats a beautiful comparison: the fast turn-around at stretch to moving the weight from a dead-stop. I remember training the seated BB shoulder press PITT-style starting from a dead stop just under the chin (give or take) for 10+ reps and was delighted with the gains.
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
As for the dead stop… Why do deadlifts or rack pulls work so well? Why do pin/board presses work well for tri strength and size? Etc… CT has talked about having either a fast turn-around (which imo is kind of a bitch on regular skulls…), or going from a dead stop (which allows you to be about as explosive as possible on the positive, while taking the stretch reflex out) being part of the perfect rep…
Might want to head over to CT’s forum for the sciency stuff.
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Now this I’d like to try! I’m able to progress much better on any kind of dead stop work, especially pressing.
Think I’ll try this from about ear level and behind the neck.
[quote]optheta wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]optheta wrote:
Question whenever i do a Lying Tricep Extention i always feel that my right tricep is doing brunt of the work. Like I can feel the contraction etc in that muscle however in my left tricep i hardly feel it[/quote]
Umm it’s time for unilateral work. [/quote]
Ideas? Other then 1-Armed Overhead DB extensions i dont know what else to do [/quote]
double post
[quote]optheta wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]optheta wrote:
Question whenever i do a Lying Tricep Extention i always feel that my right tricep is doing brunt of the work. Like I can feel the contraction etc in that muscle however in my left tricep i hardly feel it[/quote]
Umm it’s time for unilateral work. [/quote]
Ideas? Other then 1-Armed Overhead DB extensions i dont know what else to do [/quote]
Tates and JMs
[quote]optheta wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]optheta wrote:
Question whenever i do a Lying Tricep Extention i always feel that my right tricep is doing brunt of the work. Like I can feel the contraction etc in that muscle however in my left tricep i hardly feel it[/quote]
Umm it’s time for unilateral work. [/quote]
Ideas? Other then 1-Armed Overhead DB extensions i dont know what else to do [/quote]
You are talking about activating the long head I assume?
Well you can do anything with your arms overhead. Use cables or the machine if necessary to change the elbow position while still keeping constant tension.
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
[quote]w00tage wrote:
What’s the advantage of this starting from a dead stop? i.e. why do these instead of skullcrushers
PS: I’m glad someone finally asked about one of the many tricep exercises people keep talking about on this board, as I don’t know what at least half of the ones you guys keep mentioning are; the in-built search and Google are no help at all.[/quote]
I’ve yet to see someone who has been doing traditional skullcrushers to the forehead or nose, gotten big and not ended up with tendonitis… DSE’s (and PJR’s moreso) don’t bother my elbows at all, and involve the usually underdeveloped long head more than skullcrushers with upper arms perpendicular to the floor.
As for the dead stop… Why do deadlifts or rack pulls work so well? Why do pin/board presses work well for tri strength and size? Etc… CT has talked about having either a fast turn-around (which imo is kind of a bitch on regular skulls…), or going from a dead stop (which allows you to be about as explosive as possible on the positive, while taking the stretch reflex out) being part of the perfect rep…
Might want to head over to CT’s forum for the sciency stuff.
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Yes! I can’t do skull crushers because it aggravates my elbow, so anyone able to tell me "DSE"s are? or give me some direction for finding them? I’ve only done PJRs and it was close to when I started training; the poster on the wall said they were a chest exercise so when I felt it only in my triceps I was like “this is useless” and didn’t do it again. Either way, I have a feeling the dumbells in our gym won’t be heavy enough unless I do high reps, but I’ll see.
- Ok thanks. I was going to try these dead stop things today, but the EZ bar in our gym has completely disappeared. I hope it comes back soon.
[quote]w00tage wrote:
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
[quote]w00tage wrote:
What’s the advantage of this starting from a dead stop? i.e. why do these instead of skullcrushers
PS: I’m glad someone finally asked about one of the many tricep exercises people keep talking about on this board, as I don’t know what at least half of the ones you guys keep mentioning are; the in-built search and Google are no help at all.[/quote]
I’ve yet to see someone who has been doing traditional skullcrushers to the forehead or nose, gotten big and not ended up with tendonitis… DSE’s (and PJR’s moreso) don’t bother my elbows at all, and involve the usually underdeveloped long head more than skullcrushers with upper arms perpendicular to the floor.
As for the dead stop… Why do deadlifts or rack pulls work so well? Why do pin/board presses work well for tri strength and size? Etc… CT has talked about having either a fast turn-around (which imo is kind of a bitch on regular skulls…), or going from a dead stop (which allows you to be about as explosive as possible on the positive, while taking the stretch reflex out) being part of the perfect rep…
Might want to head over to CT’s forum for the sciency stuff.
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Yes! I can’t do skull crushers because it aggravates my elbow, so anyone able to tell me "DSE"s are? or give me some direction for finding them? I’ve only done PJRs and it was close to when I started training; the poster on the wall said they were a chest exercise so when I felt it only in my triceps I was like “this is useless” and didn’t do it again. Either way, I have a feeling the dumbells in our gym won’t be heavy enough unless I do high reps, but I’ll see.
- Ok thanks. I was going to try these dead stop things today, but the EZ bar in our gym has completely disappeared. I hope it comes back soon.[/quote]
LOL
DSE’s =
wait for it…
wait for it…
wait some more…
you’ll never believe this…
I mean it…
Dead Stop Extensions ! <<<<<<<<<<
As for you doing PJR’s, DB’s being too light etc… First off:
A PJR is a pullover-extension hybrid (what you thought of as a chest exercise were probably regular bent-arm pullovers, those are a lat exercise mostly…), done with retracted scapulae (setup as if pressing). If you don’t do the scapular part, not only may you well end up hurting your shoulders/bicep tendons at some point, you won’t involve the long head as much either… More the lats and perhaps even the chest.
If the DB’s are too light or you have short fingers/smallish hands like me and the 'bell bothers your hands/wrists, then use an EZ bar with a narrow grip. Works just as well.
The exercise in general is like DSE’s with more of a pullover motion at the beginning/more ROM. The rest is virtually the same (well, minus the dead stop of course).