Hope to get some help here. I'm a newb when it comes to steroids, but I have been reading about them for a while on various forums and boards.

I have done the velocity diet once before, and got very good results, but I did feel like I lost some muscle at the end of it.

In june I will do it again, and was thinking of assisting it with turanabol, anavar and clen:

week 1-4: 40mg turanabol ED
week 1-4: 30mg anavar ED
week 1: 50mg clen ED
week 2-3: 100mg clen ED
week 4: 50mg clen ED
week 5: PCT with nolva.

Yep, orals only. I will be using turanabol only in two 3-week cycles before this one.(3 weeks on, 2 off, 3 on, 4 off).

What do you think of this "assisted" velocity diet?

why did you pick these orals, and why are you only doing orals?

I picked these orals because they're supposed to be among the safer ones and because i can get them easily. I can also get anadrol, dbol and winstrol though.

Why orals only? Because I don't wanna poke myself with a needle just yet. Also I don't really believe that orals can't work by themselves.

I did read about stacking anadrol w winstrol, but I am a bit scared of the anadrol-sides.

I'm just gonna take a guess here, and I hope you're not offended by it.

You are around 180lbs or under, I'll bet, right?

haha, no offense taken.

I am 92kg at present (200lbs) at approx 12-13% bf.

Have lifted seriously for 4 years, and not-so-seriously for a few years before that.

34 years old, from Norway.
Deadlift max is 185kg, squat max is 150kg and bench max is 140kg. So, nothing too great, but not terrible either.

Okay, so how tall are you, then? Because I find that most people who mess with the V-diet are not the kind of people who should be worrying about AAS.

If you are 5'8" or so, then go for it. If you are more like 6'4", then I'd say you have some figuring out to do that should not include steroids.

Also, with the v-diet and clen together, be prepared to feel absolutely terrible.

I am 180 cm, which is 5'10" I think.

Why would the V-diet be bad for anyone using AAS? It works very well without AAS so I would think it would be even better WITH steroid assistance.

What would a better option to enhance fatloss than using clen? I agree the v-diet is pretty hard on its own so if clen will make it that much worse to tolerate...

balisong wrote:
I am 180 cm, which is 5'10" I think.

Why would the V-diet be bad for anyone using AAS? It works very well without AAS so I would think it would be even better WITH steroid assistance.

What would a better option to enhance fatloss than using clen? I agree the v-diet is pretty hard on its own so if clen will make it that much worse to tolerate...


In my experience if you are on AAS you can eat next to nothing and still not lose any muscle... So why eat nothing but protein shakes everyday? It's boring. I once cut 30lbs by eating a pastry for breakfast, a double-bacon cheeseburger for lunch and three beers for dinner.

I was shooting test and doing light calisthenics and cardio and I was ripped as fuck after 3 or 4 weeks. The nice thing is that the beer and burgers made me happy and the diet was easy as a result. Of course I was also using fish oil and other supps for general health.

I'm not recommending my diet to you, that would be irresponsible, lol... But my point is that you don't have to be THAT drastic to lose fat and keep muscle when on AAS.

What MS said.

Also, I never said that v-diet with AAS is bad, I just mean that most people who use the v-diet generally don't have a very good handle on diet principles in general, and people who don't, shouldn't be using AAS to compensate for this.

In all honestly, it is SO easy to lose fat, if you know what you are doing and have clear goals and a bit of discipline. I can drop about 6% body fat easily in 2 months with a clean diet and cardio and no AAS. HOT-ROX helps, too. I personally don't like clen but I guess it works.

I'm not going to tell you what to do. If you want to use AAS with this diet, I guess you're okay, I just think there are better ways to go about doing things.

Also the clen isn't going to be doing you much good after the third week.

Eating clean foods with a reasonable calorie deficit will be much less expensive and more enjoyable than sucking down protein shakes and flax meal for four weeks.

I've personally achieved the best fat loss results from cycling carbs and calories and doing a ton of energy systems work. When I just flatline with low carbs and calories I hit a plateau every two weeks and feel like a flat lump of shit. This approach is particularly effective with AAS because you don't have to worry about the catabolic repercussions of the increased cardio.

arthursaxon wrote:
Eating clean foods with a reasonable calorie deficit will be much less expensive and more enjoyable than sucking down protein shakes and flax meal for four weeks.

I've personally achieved the best fat loss results from cycling carbs and calories and doing a ton of energy systems work. When I just flatline with low carbs and calories I hit a plateau every two weeks and feel like a flat lump of shit. This approach is particularly effective with AAS because you don't have to worry about the catabolic repercussions of the increased cardio.

AAS is awesome for sparing muscle. You don't even need very much at all IMO.

Also, what the heck is "energy systems work"?

MasterfulStroke wrote:
arthursaxon wrote:
Eating clean foods with a reasonable calorie deficit will be much less expensive and more enjoyable than sucking down protein shakes and flax meal for four weeks.

I've personally achieved the best fat loss results from cycling carbs and calories and doing a ton of energy systems work. When I just flatline with low carbs and calories I hit a plateau every two weeks and feel like a flat lump of shit. This approach is particularly effective with AAS because you don't have to worry about the catabolic repercussions of the increased cardio.

AAS is awesome for sparing muscle. You don't even need very much at all IMO.

Also, what the heck is "energy systems work"?

I know, it's a geeky term, but "cardio" makes me think of a fat chick on a stairmaster, and "aerobic" makes me think of Richard Simmons, so I try to use these terms sparingly.

Okay thanks for the replies, gents.
Well, I guess the V-Diet is appealing to my masochistic side, as it IS rather gruesome! Also I like seeing results fast (who doesn't).

The reason I wanted to do the V-Diet is that it strips the fat off very quickly. My plan was to go for the most amount of mass for as long as possible. Then get rid of as much fat as I could in four weeks of the V-Diet (plus two more weeks of tranitioning back to more regular eating).
Just in time to look fab for my vacation in Egypt.

I will be using tbol in short cycles on and off during the period up untill the V-Diet.

Would the ECA stack be a better choice than clen?

Like the sound of the Burgers & Beer diet, hehe!

balisong wrote:

Would the ECA stack be a better choice than clen?


Cycle them 2-weeks at a time. Clen down-regulates pretty quickly.

Well, I read somewhere that this is a common practice but that it's ineffective because the ECA stack downregulates the exact same receptors as the clen.

Anyone having experience with ECA and clen? Which one works best and is it true that cycling them is even better than just picking one?

Also, anyone have any opinions as to how good tbol is for strength gains? (40-50mg/ED)

balisong wrote:
Well, I read somewhere that this is a common practice but that it's ineffective because the ECA stack downregulates the exact same receptors as the clen.

Anyone having experience with ECA and clen? Which one works best and is it true that cycling them is even better than just picking one?

Also, anyone have any opinions as to how good tbol is for strength gains? (40-50mg/ED)

Never heard this so I can't help you, but you could always order some HOT-ROX, like I said before. It honestly kicks the shit out of anything else I have ever used except for crystal meth :)

I don't believe that switching between ECA and clen helps upregulate the receptors AT ALL. ECA does downregulate the same receptors to a lesser degree and they are not going to 'recover' in these two weeks in a way that makes clen more effective. If to use clen for an extended period [which I'm not necessarily recommending] use benadryl or ketotifen every night of the third week. There is an article called 'steroid dieting'. You should check it out. While it's true that you can basically eat crappy while on gear and still lose fat, you can also take the opportunity to be strict with your diet ahd shred at breakneck spead.

For some reason it seems HOT-ROX is damn near impossible to get through customs here (Norway) as is Spike and a lot of the other T-Nation products.
And I can't get it locally.
Guess I will try the clen for two or three weeks then.

How ridiculous that you can get ahold of clen or ephedrine but not HOT-ROX or Spike.

Then again, where vanity drugs are concerned, the entire world seems to be ridiculous. Except Thailand.

Yeah it wild.

So how about strength gains on tbol?

To be honest...although clen is slightly better for fatburning...you will experience really significant results from a simple EC stack...don't worry about the aspirin. As far as steroids to help you cut..could I convince you to use inject and not oral only? Truthfully test prop and tren is probably the best for that purpose.

jsbrook wrote:
I don't believe that switching between ECA and clen helps upregulate the receptors AT ALL. ECA does downregulate the same receptors to a lesser degree and they are not going to 'recover' in these two weeks in a way that makes clen more effective. If to use clen for an extended period [which I'm not necessarily recommending] use benadryl or ketotifen every night of the third week. There is an article called 'steroid dieting'. You should check it out. While it's true that you can basically eat crappy while on gear and still lose fat, you can also take the opportunity to be strict with your diet ahd shred at breakneck spead.

Thanks, didn't see your post. Yes I read the Steroid dieting article. Good read.
While the Burger & Beer diet sounds fun, I agree totally that eating super-strict AND using AAS sounds like a good plan for maximum fatloss.

Think I will opt for a modified Velo-diet, with one non-liquid meal consisting of chicken and veggies or tuna and veggies everyday. This will make the whole experience a little less unpleasant. Will still keep carbs at less than 100g for the duration.

Just eat a lot less, the AAS will spare the muscle. And though I won't say I've never done it, stims with AAS could potentially boost your BP too high. I actually have BP problems. Partly it's genetic, but I also use to use stims for appetite suppression.

It may not affect you the way it did me, but I would really recommend monitoring your BP.